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		<title>Comment on My First GA by MATTHEW</title>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t know much &#8217;bout (Jewish) history&#8230; by PEDRO</title>
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		<title>Comment on Read a book in your PJs! by JUSTIN</title>
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		<title>Comment on An open question to Jews By Choice by Aliza Hausman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t know much &#8217;bout (Jewish) history&#8230; by Michael Makovi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Makovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, the title of this post is a reference to Sam Cooke! Sweet! I love it when people (usually myself) use popular song lyrics as part of their prose! I&#039;m enthused!

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Anyway...

Actually, it wasn&#039;t until I read Rav Hirsch&#039;s essay &quot;How to Carry Jewish Learning into Practical Life&quot; that I finally came to appreciate his stance on academic study of Torah sources.

I had long known of Rabbi Hirsch&#039;s polemic against Frankel and Graetz, and I knew that the Berlin school of Rabbis Esriel Hildesheimer and D. Z. Hoffman disagreed with Rav Hirsch on the subject of academic study of Torah. (Rabbi Hirsch was afraid that Rabbi Hoffman&#039;s monograph &quot;Mar Samuel&quot; was too similar to the work of Graetz.)

But I never really understood &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; Rav Hirsch was so opposed to this study. We&#039;re talking a man who said that no Jewish youth could understand the Tanakh without studying ancient Egyptian and Babylonian history. How could such a man oppose academic study of Torah sources??!!

Finally, I read &quot;How to Carry Jewish Learning into Practical Life&quot;. This essay, besides being a fantastic source on Rav Hirsch&#039;s notion of Torah as a non-theological non-metaphysical anthropological theonomy (which Heschel borrowed; see the translator&#039;s appendix to Rabbi Dr. Leo Adler&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Biblical View of Man&lt;/i&gt;), also contains what is perhaps Rav Hirsch&#039;s best, most clear exposition on the subject of academic study of Torah.

In this essay, Rav Hirsch discusses some of the amazing academic findings. For example: we know that Jeremiah must have been writing around the time of the Babylonian exile, because at one point he used parchment, and we know that parchment didn&#039;t exist until the Babylonian exile. (Similarly, for Wellhausen, it was one of the finalities of scholarship that in Moshe Rabenu&#039;s time, no one was literate. Then we discovered the Hammurabi Code and the Tel el Amarna letters, sounding the death-knell for JEPD. Higher-criticism is still possible - cf. Albright etc. - but not of the Wellhausian variety.)

If that&#039;s the sort of garbage the Wissenschaft scholaries were putting out, then no wonder Rav Hirsch called bunk on the entire enterprise! And therefore, we can distinguish between his demand for yeshiva youth to study ancient Near Eastern history, and his denunciation of academic study of Torah.

And then you add in what he said about selihot, and the picture is complete. 

Rav Hirsch was biased by the fact that academic study was usually opposed to traditional study, rather than being paired with it hand-in-hand. It appears to me quite likely that if Rav Hirsch were alive today to see what academic study of Torah has accomplished, he&#039;d be sounding quite a different tune. I imagine he&#039;d be right up there with Rabbi Haim David Halevi, gushing with praise for the enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, the title of this post is a reference to Sam Cooke! Sweet! I love it when people (usually myself) use popular song lyrics as part of their prose! I&#8217;m enthused!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>Actually, it wasn&#8217;t until I read Rav Hirsch&#8217;s essay &#8220;How to Carry Jewish Learning into Practical Life&#8221; that I finally came to appreciate his stance on academic study of Torah sources.</p>
<p>I had long known of Rabbi Hirsch&#8217;s polemic against Frankel and Graetz, and I knew that the Berlin school of Rabbis Esriel Hildesheimer and D. Z. Hoffman disagreed with Rav Hirsch on the subject of academic study of Torah. (Rabbi Hirsch was afraid that Rabbi Hoffman&#8217;s monograph &#8220;Mar Samuel&#8221; was too similar to the work of Graetz.)</p>
<p>But I never really understood <i>why</i> Rav Hirsch was so opposed to this study. We&#8217;re talking a man who said that no Jewish youth could understand the Tanakh without studying ancient Egyptian and Babylonian history. How could such a man oppose academic study of Torah sources??!!</p>
<p>Finally, I read &#8220;How to Carry Jewish Learning into Practical Life&#8221;. This essay, besides being a fantastic source on Rav Hirsch&#8217;s notion of Torah as a non-theological non-metaphysical anthropological theonomy (which Heschel borrowed; see the translator&#8217;s appendix to Rabbi Dr. Leo Adler&#8217;s <i>The Biblical View of Man</i>), also contains what is perhaps Rav Hirsch&#8217;s best, most clear exposition on the subject of academic study of Torah.</p>
<p>In this essay, Rav Hirsch discusses some of the amazing academic findings. For example: we know that Jeremiah must have been writing around the time of the Babylonian exile, because at one point he used parchment, and we know that parchment didn&#8217;t exist until the Babylonian exile. (Similarly, for Wellhausen, it was one of the finalities of scholarship that in Moshe Rabenu&#8217;s time, no one was literate. Then we discovered the Hammurabi Code and the Tel el Amarna letters, sounding the death-knell for JEPD. Higher-criticism is still possible &#8211; cf. Albright etc. &#8211; but not of the Wellhausian variety.)</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the sort of garbage the Wissenschaft scholaries were putting out, then no wonder Rav Hirsch called bunk on the entire enterprise! And therefore, we can distinguish between his demand for yeshiva youth to study ancient Near Eastern history, and his denunciation of academic study of Torah.</p>
<p>And then you add in what he said about selihot, and the picture is complete. </p>
<p>Rav Hirsch was biased by the fact that academic study was usually opposed to traditional study, rather than being paired with it hand-in-hand. It appears to me quite likely that if Rav Hirsch were alive today to see what academic study of Torah has accomplished, he&#8217;d be sounding quite a different tune. I imagine he&#8217;d be right up there with Rabbi Haim David Halevi, gushing with praise for the enterprise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t know much &#8217;bout (Jewish) history&#8230; by Michael Makovi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Makovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a book I&#039;ve been meaning to read for some time. (It&#039;s part of a VERY long list.)

I remember reading a summary of one of Yerushalmi&#039;s points, something to the effect that while moderns know more history than pre-moderns, we feel less connection to history. Pre-moderns knew less about history, but they felt more intimately a part of that history.

That ties into something Rabbi Yaakov Ettlinger said about the Wissenschaft des Judentums scholars: if you want to know what kind of ink Rashi wrote with, see the Wissenschaft scholars - but if you want to know what Rashi actually said, see me. (Cited in Rabbi Isaac Herzog, &lt;i&gt;Judaism: Law and Ethics&lt;/i&gt;) Similarly, Rabbi S. R. Hirsch (Ettlinger&#039;s student) quipped (in his first essay (of six) on Tisha b&#039;Av (&quot;Tisha b&#039;Av I&quot;), and again in his essay &quot;How to Carry Jewish Learning in Practical Life&quot;, that it&#039;s better to be a pious Jew who recites selihot but has no idea who wrote them when, than it is to be a Wissenschaft scholar who knows who wrote what when, but never rises up late at night to actually recite them. 

I don&#039;t wholly agree with Rabbis Ettlinger and Hirsch on this (this is one the VERY few things on which I disagree with Rabbi Hirsch), but their point has some truth to it.

So Yerushalmi&#039;s book remains on my list of books to buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a book I&#8217;ve been meaning to read for some time. (It&#8217;s part of a VERY long list.)</p>
<p>I remember reading a summary of one of Yerushalmi&#8217;s points, something to the effect that while moderns know more history than pre-moderns, we feel less connection to history. Pre-moderns knew less about history, but they felt more intimately a part of that history.</p>
<p>That ties into something Rabbi Yaakov Ettlinger said about the Wissenschaft des Judentums scholars: if you want to know what kind of ink Rashi wrote with, see the Wissenschaft scholars &#8211; but if you want to know what Rashi actually said, see me. (Cited in Rabbi Isaac Herzog, <i>Judaism: Law and Ethics</i>) Similarly, Rabbi S. R. Hirsch (Ettlinger&#8217;s student) quipped (in his first essay (of six) on Tisha b&#8217;Av (&#8221;Tisha b&#8217;Av I&#8221;), and again in his essay &#8220;How to Carry Jewish Learning in Practical Life&#8221;, that it&#8217;s better to be a pious Jew who recites selihot but has no idea who wrote them when, than it is to be a Wissenschaft scholar who knows who wrote what when, but never rises up late at night to actually recite them. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wholly agree with Rabbis Ettlinger and Hirsch on this (this is one the VERY few things on which I disagree with Rabbi Hirsch), but their point has some truth to it.</p>
<p>So Yerushalmi&#8217;s book remains on my list of books to buy.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on An open question to Jews By Choice by toni</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my judaism is patralineal in my family.  i decided to convert to judaism 2 years ago.  my main reasons were and still are to get closer to the word of gd and to infuse my faith with my everyday...judaism and i are a perfect match.  however, letting people know i&#039;m a convert is not something i will do when i first meet them.  my decision for doing this was because i started to feel (not sure if it is real or not) that this knowledge was creating an inaccurate perception of me. i feel this more among the orthodox than any other jewish sect. my concerns are that i will not be see as authentic because it was a conservative conversion and that i know very little.  

also, the fact that i am single is magnified ten fold in the small jewish community compared to being single in the larger pond/general community. not having a family of my own has made practicing my faith a little difficult, since judaism practice is heavy with home ritual, but it&#039;s not impossible.  i have found my niche in my synagogue life, but there are still gaps that i struggle to fill.  it&#039;s a process, and i&#039;m grateful that i know so many other converts with whom i can discuss my frustrations, and with whom i can share how happy i am as a jew. these are two things that i cannot share with someone who is born jewish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my judaism is patralineal in my family.  i decided to convert to judaism 2 years ago.  my main reasons were and still are to get closer to the word of gd and to infuse my faith with my everyday&#8230;judaism and i are a perfect match.  however, letting people know i&#8217;m a convert is not something i will do when i first meet them.  my decision for doing this was because i started to feel (not sure if it is real or not) that this knowledge was creating an inaccurate perception of me. i feel this more among the orthodox than any other jewish sect. my concerns are that i will not be see as authentic because it was a conservative conversion and that i know very little.  </p>
<p>also, the fact that i am single is magnified ten fold in the small jewish community compared to being single in the larger pond/general community. not having a family of my own has made practicing my faith a little difficult, since judaism practice is heavy with home ritual, but it&#8217;s not impossible.  i have found my niche in my synagogue life, but there are still gaps that i struggle to fill.  it&#8217;s a process, and i&#8217;m grateful that i know so many other converts with whom i can discuss my frustrations, and with whom i can share how happy i am as a jew. these are two things that i cannot share with someone who is born jewish.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open question to Jews By Choice by Naomi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shvach - Thanks for the comment.  If only the Israeli rabbinate agreed with you!  Their attitude towards conversion always surprises me - accepting converts as 100% authentic Jews isn&#039;t just a matter of tolerance and respect, it&#039;s a matter of halacha!  Really, it boggles my mind sometimes how people can ignore halacha in the name of halacha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shvach &#8211; Thanks for the comment.  If only the Israeli rabbinate agreed with you!  Their attitude towards conversion always surprises me &#8211; accepting converts as 100% authentic Jews isn&#8217;t just a matter of tolerance and respect, it&#8217;s a matter of halacha!  Really, it boggles my mind sometimes how people can ignore halacha in the name of halacha.</p>
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